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Recently, I read where an overseas company wants to buy Budweiser. And the Chrysler Building in NYC is up for sale. Where will all of this stop?

And what started the selling off of so many of our assets anyway?


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Posts: 318 | Location: Barrington, Illinois | Registered: July 21, 2007Edit MessageReport This Post
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And what started the selling off of so many of our assets anyway?

Doesn't everyone here remember when Tricky Dick & Henry (Kissinger) went to China??? That's when it started.

Lew


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We send these folks our money, what are they supposed to do with it if not buy stuff? That is what I do with my spare money... :-)


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The State of Indiana sold the Indiana Toll Road to an overseas company.


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Posts: 3269 | Location: Fulltime RVer | Registered: May 04, 2002Edit MessageReport This Post
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I hope the Feds got their 50% of the Indiana Toll Road deal.


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Posts: 1263 | Registered: July 29, 2003Edit MessageReport This Post
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The State of Indiana sold the Indiana Toll Road to an overseas company.


It wasn't sold. It was leased for 75 years to an Australian/Spanish consortium. The reason was that in order to maintain the road, rates were going to have to increase. The legislators did not want to make this unpopular move and face being voted out of office. So they leased it for a huge chunk of change for state infrastructure (we all know that will be spent wisely) and the rates have now doubled. Also written into the lease is the restriction on improving US20 which parallels the toll road across the state. They cannot widen it to 4 lanes, which would offer everyone and especially truckers an alternative to the high tolls. So US20 is falling apart due to the increased truck traffic and it is a nightmare to drive because it is now very heavily traveled and cannot be widened.

And now "their man Mitch" wants to privatize the state lottery. Yeh, now there's a plan. Glad we moved to South Dakota.

Dale


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Posts: 700 | Location: South Dakota/Indiana | Registered: July 03, 2003Edit MessageReport This Post
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I am going to take a crack at answering my own question about how we got in to this mess.

I believe part of the answer is G-R-E-E-D.

I don’t know when it first began, but companies started to see how they could make a product cheaper. A little plastic fastener here instead of a metal one, a snap together part here instead of a real screw, put less copper winding around that motor, it will still run (but not as long) and pretty soon the quality is gone. Just look at the flimsy appliances on sale for $10 or less at the big box stores. I am sure many of you remember when you could get an appliance repaired. Now, not only will you have trouble finding someone who knows how to do it, but the parts are virtually impossible to find. Frankly, it IS cheaper to buy a new one. How many of you have seen an OLD GE oscillating fan still working somewhere. Those things run forever and they were made before the advent of MBAs who want to cut quality and increase profits. Oh, and now GE plans to sell of its appliance business. Shame on them.

Along with that was the need for greed. Stockholders clamor for higher dividends and so ownership sends manufacturing jobs overseas. Don’t worry about quality. Just get the price down.

Then there are the speculators who drive up prices every time there is a hic up nature. I have yet to read an explanation for high fuel prices that makes sense. Every time I read about peak oil, the next day there is a report of a huge new find of oil somewhere in the world. Oil companies report record obscene profits in the billions while millions of blue collar and middle class people cut their food budget to keep gas in the car.

As Nick Russell pointed out, then there is Indiana that leased a toll way to a foreign company. Tolls are up (what a surprise) and maintenance of nearby “competing” highways is almost non-existent.

I could go on, but I’ll stop here. I am curious to read what some of you have to add.

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Posts: 318 | Location: Barrington, Illinois | Registered: July 21, 2007Edit MessageReport This Post
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Remember when the French told America we would be nuts to start a War in Iraq? Remember how certain politicians in Washington then mouthed off about those Bad French not supporting their "runup" to War? And how we weren't allowed to call them "French Fries" anymore, but instead should rename them "Freedom Fries"?? I got a really good laugh thinking that those bad-boy French own the waterworks for the city of Washington,DC (United Water). The Germans own American Water Works which owns Pennsylvania American Water Company, which owns most municipal water companies in Penn's Woods. I hope Bush was real nice to the Europeans on his recent junket there....Otherwise maybe a lot of us Americans might wake up to a mere drip from our faucets Big Grin (or more likely how about doubling or quadrupling our water bills?). Wink

Lew


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Remember when Japan was going to own all of America? How they were snapping up all the real estate in New York, LA, Hawaii, etc? Then do you remember when the Japan economy tanked along with its stock market? Remember when they were selling their acquired real estate at a steep loss?
Have you checked the unemployment rate of France? Have you checked the standard of living of the average Frenchman? The French have been receiving a free ride for a very long time. Much longer then the Iraq war.
Now remember the oil embargo of the 70's?
Remember all the environmental legislation to oppose and virtually eliminate drilling?
Remember all the regulations preventing the building of new refineries?
Remember, that even it meeting all the regulations and approvals, all the law suits to tie the corporation up in court indefinitely?
Remember when the same bad, mean oil companies gave us 35 cents a gallon gasoline?
Remember when the both American people and corporations were free to solve problems and build the economy instead of being hamstrung by excessive and burdensome and costly regulation?
Remember when the American people were doers and accomplishers rather than whiners?

Remember when oil was scarce and price rising before the Irag war and President Bush?
Remember when 3000 innocent Americans were attacked and killed by terrorist?
Remember its been near eight years without a repeat?

Most all of the problems existed before Bush and the Irag war. So lets get over blaming all our present problems and Bush and the war. Don't care if one is for or against either Bush or the war, but it is beyond juvenile top continue to blame Bush or the war for all our present difficulties. And this includes the price of oil. Greed, yes. But it is as much your and my own greed. The largest commodity and oil speculators are the managers of public pension funds, as for example California's. So apparently it is the school teachers, professors, administrators and other public employees who are truly greedy. Either that are they are truly ignorant.


Jim
 
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Originally posted by GrayEagle:
Remember when Japan was going to own all of America? How they were snapping up all the real estate in New York, LA, Hawaii, etc? Then do you remember when the Japan economy tanked along with its stock market? Remember when they were selling their acquired real estate at a steep loss?
Have you checked the unemployment rate of France? Have you checked the standard of living of the average Frenchman? The French have been receiving a free ride for a very long time. Much longer then the Iraq war.
Now remember the oil embargo of the 70's?
Remember all the environmental legislation to oppose and virtually eliminate drilling?
Remember all the regulations preventing the building of new refineries?
Remember, that even it meeting all the regulations and approvals, all the law suits to tie the corporation up in court indefinitely?
Remember when the same bad, mean oil companies gave us 35 cents a gallon gasoline?
Remember when the both American people and corporations were free to solve problems and build the economy instead of being hamstrung by excessive and burdensome and costly regulation?
Remember when the American people were doers and accomplishers rather than whiners?

Remember when oil was scarce and price rising before the Irag war and President Bush?
Remember when 3000 innocent Americans were attacked and killed by terrorist?
Remember its been near eight years without a repeat?

Most all of the problems existed before Bush and the Irag war. So lets get over blaming all our present problems and Bush and the war. Don't care if one is for or against either Bush or the war, but it is beyond juvenile top continue to blame Bush or the war for all our present difficulties. And this includes the price of oil. Greed, yes. But it is as much your and my own greed. The largest commodity and oil speculators are the managers of public pension funds, as for example California's. So apparently it is the school teachers, professors, administrators and other public employees who are truly greedy. Either that are they are truly ignorant.


BS


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Posts: 319 | Location: TX,NM,AZ | Registered: July 14, 2002Edit MessageReport This Post
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Cheap energy fueled the American standard of living during the last century. Today, when I hear a politician say we must reduce our dependence on oil by reducing our demand for oil, what I hear them saying is that we must reduce our standard of living. Guess what, it is working.


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Because you weren't paying attention to the real problems in the country (hint: not gay marriage or lapel pins) and allowed a bunch of pseudo-christians to confuse you about what was. This lead to the election of a deserter from military service whose stated constituency is "the haves and the have mores" who carried out a war of aggression under our flag because of an apparent personality disorder. (Given the advance in medical knowledge since the Constitution was written and the present ability of the President to literally order the destruction of the world, we really need to rethink some stuff, like how to keep the Executive Branch in control. Having some a**hole with his finger on the nuclear button acting out because of issues with his daddy is really scary)

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The legislators did not want to make this unpopular move and face being voted out of office.


I think this cuts to the heart of the problem for the public sector. The emergence of Politician as a profession has made for some real commitment to keeping their job at any cost. The only individual I personally know in Congress tripled his salary when he got elected and works real hard to never have to find another job. (he wasn't worth much before he went to Washington, but seems to fit right in there).

In the private sector, it just unfettered capitalism at in its purest form, coupled with a very short planning horizon.

The country will continue to become split into two groups, the have mores (a relative few) and the have lesses (most of us). Then the have lesses will figure it out (this post is a start, although it's a bit behind some other folks) and the country will reshape itself. When the have lesses have spent all they have plus are in debt for all they might ever hope to have, there's little left to lose but hopefully better focus on reality. Economic slavery is still slavery.


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Posts: 143 | Location: Texas (formerly Kansas) | Registered: July 28, 2002Edit MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by GrayEagle:
Remember when Japan was going to own all of America? How they were snapping up all the real estate in New York, LA, Hawaii, etc? Then do you remember when the Japan economy tanked along with its stock market? Remember when they were selling their acquired real estate at a steep loss?
Have you checked the unemployment rate of France? Have you checked the standard of living of the average Frenchman? The French have been receiving a free ride for a very long time. Much longer then the Iraq war.
Now remember the oil embargo of the 70's?
Remember all the environmental legislation to oppose and virtually eliminate drilling?
Remember all the regulations preventing the building of new refineries?
Remember, that even it meeting all the regulations and approvals, all the law suits to tie the corporation up in court indefinitely?
Remember when the same bad, mean oil companies gave us 35 cents a gallon gasoline?
Remember when the both American people and corporations were free to solve problems and build the economy instead of being hamstrung by excessive and burdensome and costly regulation?
Remember when the American people were doers and accomplishers rather than whiners?

Remember when oil was scarce and price rising before the Irag war and President Bush?
Remember when 3000 innocent Americans were attacked and killed by terrorist?
Remember its been near eight years without a repeat?

Most all of the problems existed before Bush and the Irag war. So lets get over blaming all our present problems and Bush and the war. Don't care if one is for or against either Bush or the war, but it is beyond juvenile top continue to blame Bush or the war for all our present difficulties. And this includes the price of oil. Greed, yes. But it is as much your and my own greed. The largest commodity and oil speculators are the managers of public pension funds, as for example California's. So apparently it is the school teachers, professors, administrators and other public employees who are truly greedy. Either that are they are truly ignorant.


BS


Reality, which is too difficult for many to face, so they either ignore, blame or simply dismiss. Which is why we are in this present mess and will continue to be so, until more people are willing to get over their petty selves and confront reality.


Jim
 
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Thanks for reminding me,I forgot it was all Clinton`s fault.
 
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Note no one said it was all Clinton's fault. Which is precisely my point. Too many people are far too busy placing blame based upon their own personal political, philosophical, religious and environmental views to engage in any rational and meaningful discussion, let alone analysis of the problems. It is just too easy to point fingers at those we either disagree with or simply don't like for whatever reason. As long as this continues we will also continue to get the results which have crated the present mess.


Jim
 
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